Posts by Billy the Ex-Bethelite

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Billy's comments to the RC #1 - "We always require at least two witnesses... except for when we don't."

by Billy the Ex-Bethelite in

i'm still trying to catch up on the rc broadcast posted to youtube, and i haven't been able to keep up with everything discussed here about it.

however, there have been a few points that i wish i could submit.

repeatedly it has been stated that unless there is a confession, jcs can only act on testimony if it is corroborated by two or more witnesses to the wrongdoing.

Billy the Ex-Bethelite

Sorry Scully, but according to the brothers™, that's all based on scripture.

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Billy's comments to the RC #1 - "We always require at least two witnesses... except for when we don't."

by Billy the Ex-Bethelite in

i'm still trying to catch up on the rc broadcast posted to youtube, and i haven't been able to keep up with everything discussed here about it.

however, there have been a few points that i wish i could submit.

repeatedly it has been stated that unless there is a confession, jcs can only act on testimony if it is corroborated by two or more witnesses to the wrongdoing.

Vidiot, that was one of the things that really bugged me when they would say that they disfellowship pedophiles... WT also disfellowships anyone who speaks out against the bad policies of WT that allow pedophilia to flourish. People like Barbara Anderson were disfellowshipped with the same secrecy and with the same announcement as a child molester.

In WT world, despite what has been said to the RC, apostasy is considered a far worse crime than child molestation. Look up "apostasy" in the WT litteratrash and you'll find more references than when you look up "protect children".

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What Watchtower Got Wrong with Their Child Molestation Policy

by Billy the Ex-Bethelite in

in the style of stephen lett, i'm trying to come up with an exhaustive, enumerated list (without his crazy eyebrows, goofy facial expressions, and nutty voice).

what watchtower has gotten wrong isn't just their 2 witness rule.

it goes much deeper into other failures of jw dogma that has allowed this injustice and others to flourish in their organization.

Billy the Ex-Bethelite

One reference I added was 2/15/13 WT pp. 22-24, but didn't explain it exactly this way... Not only did it state that children should not associate with kids at school under the subheading "Our choice of associates," the article is instructing the reader to not trust their own hearts, opinions, ideas.

Why do those elders get that spaced out look in their eyes when they found themselves inclined to disagree with WT policies? Because their real inner personality realized that WT procedures were wrong. But they'd been clearly instructed in articles like this that when they are inclined to have any personal opinions, those must be smothered under the suffocating blanket of WT dogma.

So not only are worldly people bad association, people with functioning brains are bad associations for themselves. Stop thinking and conform to WT!

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What Watchtower Got Wrong with Their Child Molestation Policy

by Billy the Ex-Bethelite in

in the style of stephen lett, i'm trying to come up with an exhaustive, enumerated list (without his crazy eyebrows, goofy facial expressions, and nutty voice).

what watchtower has gotten wrong isn't just their 2 witness rule.

it goes much deeper into other failures of jw dogma that has allowed this injustice and others to flourish in their organization.

Billy the Ex-Bethelite

I sent this to Mr. Stewart with some edits to make it more current and comments WRT what has been covered in the RC. I sent it a couple days ago... I wish I would have sent it a couple of weeks ago.

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Billy's comments to the RC #1 - "We always require at least two witnesses... except for when we don't."

by Billy the Ex-Bethelite in

i'm still trying to catch up on the rc broadcast posted to youtube, and i haven't been able to keep up with everything discussed here about it.

however, there have been a few points that i wish i could submit.

repeatedly it has been stated that unless there is a confession, jcs can only act on testimony if it is corroborated by two or more witnesses to the wrongdoing.

Billy the Ex-Bethelite

Thanks Marina.

For the material in this thread, it just made me so furious that Rodney Stinks insisted that they had never, ever, never, never, ever deviated from their two witness rule.

And he was such an idiot to suggest than any elder would remember what was stated by a CO in 1998 about children not having to face their abuser. Elders aren't given a printout of that outline and it isn't kept on file. It's already established that elders can't remember what they had for breakfast yesterday, how are they going to remember that from 1998? What of the elders appointed after that time? They can't reference something they've never seen and heard.

Even a good elder would have written those notes in their elders manual... but that book has been replaced with "new light". And what was the new light? Oh, they certainly include instruction that the victim must face the abuser, but they didn't include instruction on these exemptions from this rule. Wasn't there room in the book to make this instruction very clear to the elders? Evidently, protecting children isn't that important. However, there was plenty of room in the book to give instructions on the exception to the two witness rule so that Elder Horndog could remarry ASAP! And there was even plenty of room in the book to include instruction on the importance of disfellowshipping a brother if he asks too high of a bride price for his daughter!

No, I didn't send any of this to the RC. LOL

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Billy's comments to the RC #1 - "We always require at least two witnesses... except for when we don't."

by Billy the Ex-Bethelite in

i'm still trying to catch up on the rc broadcast posted to youtube, and i haven't been able to keep up with everything discussed here about it.

however, there have been a few points that i wish i could submit.

repeatedly it has been stated that unless there is a confession, jcs can only act on testimony if it is corroborated by two or more witnesses to the wrongdoing.

Billy the Ex-Bethelite

I sent this info to Mr. Stewart's email and another address that I was given. I haven't gotten a reply, so I can only assume that either it isn't of value or they're already getting more email than they can read.

WRT Max's comment, this is kinda what I sent, but less funny and less wordy:

In the first case, although this is in the section about freedom to remarry, the use of circumstantial evidence (not eyewitnesses to actual fornication) can be used to disfellowship. And I believe that more recently there was a letter sent out explaining hypothetical circumstances where a brother missed his train and spent the night at a sister's apartment, or something like that. The BoE would just take their word that they didn't have sex. In this case there were at least two witnesses to them spending all night together in a possible "immoral sleeping arrangement", which was previously established as sufficient circumstantial evidence that fornicating had occurred. So now they have to introduce exceptions to the "circumstantial evidence of two witnesses" exception to the two eyewitness to sinning rule.

In the second case, the situation is stated as an exception to the 2 witness rule. And this exception states that a JC would not be formed, where a JC usually would be formed for adulterous remarriage. So, they've said they can't make an exception to the two witness rule in order to protect children from sexual abuse, but they can make an exception to that rule so that a brother or sister can be scripturally free to remarry, ASAP, before the unbelieving mate takes the time to meet someone and remarry?

"Sorry kids, the bible won't less us protect you, but we choose to make an exception so Elder Horndog can marry a young pioneer sister in the Kingdumb Haul after he divorces his 'apostate' wife* because she confessed to him that she had fornicated but she refuses to admit that to anyone else."

*The 'apostate' wife was disfellowshipped in the usual secret backroom proceedings. She was judged an apostate and disfellowshipped because she dared to disagree with WT policy and she verbalized the truth that JWs were not protecting children from pedophiles. Since she was shunned, no JW would listen to her warnings to protect children. Instead, the rumor was spread around the congregation that she had a drinking problem and had fornicated with many worldly men.

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How to spot: a single JW sister

by purrpurr in

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i remember this time of year when jw's desend en mass on one area.

a fun game to play is "spot the..." whatever jw walking stereotype you choose.. so i thought i would play it with you guys, starting with how to spot a single jw sister.. i say, she will be dressed up to the nines, probably over dressed in fact, have hair immaculately coffied, make up plastered on, towering heels and be smiling at every brother in site.

all they need is a sign saying "pioneer, virgin, available for marriage!".

Billy the Ex-Bethelite

And then they cover the mirrors with paper in the women's restroom at the convention and all the sisters look like...

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My two great hopes regarding Geoffrey Jackson's RC testimony

by Esse quam videri in

my greatest hope is that when geoffrey was a youngun' that his momma taught him to 'tell the truth'.. if geoffrey does not tell the truth, my second great hope is that his momma 'wallups him, but good'.. here's hoping he doesn't 'crawfish' on the witness stand.. crawfish :

a] to cheat, decieve, or otherwise do a person wrong b] go back on what you said previously

Billy the Ex-Bethelite

It's been a steady stream of half-truths and double-speak so far. I don't expect anything less than the most spectacular smoke-and-mirror denial, evasion, and forgetfulness.

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True Statement in the Watchtower!!

by freemindfade in

last sunday i looked at next weeks study article, the first sentence states the truth!!!.

chastity is not a popular virtue.

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Billy the Ex-Bethelite

CHASTITY is not a popular virtue.

And Horny is not a popular dwarf:

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Ron De Rooy is the worst

by StarTrekAngel in

sorry had to come and rant.. been watching all the videos from the rc.

i am at day 5 and so far mr de rooy has been the worst.

many of the others are pretty bad too but at least they show they are concerned for their own fate.

Billy the Ex-Bethelite

I'm finally finishing up the last day. They all get more barfworthy as it goes along.

They have a file of 1000 crimes and they don't see a problem with that. Then they twist it as if to blame the government for not requiring them to protect the children.